Just continue this way please. Continue invalidating the feelings of young men with statements like "the Girls point to specific problems, the men to generic".
Just continue to validate the nonesense of micro discriminations like the situation in the line (as men cannot point out 100s of similar examples).
The extreme left. You have learnt nothing from this elections.
Women literally have less rights in our laws. It's in the law, not in your feelings. But go ahead and "get back" at women by supporting a billionaire con artist who gave trillions of tax dollars to his wealthy friends last time he was in office. You really showed us lol
You have full body autonomy. Women are considered secondary to a potential fetus. Women in states with abortion bans die because the fetus is legally required to be above the woman carrying it.
And they have no reproductive rights to speak of. There are young boys who have been raped who had to pay child support to their rapists - the pedophile's stipend.
That's horrible. Girls who are raped and give birth are often sued for parental rights by their rapist as well. It's sick and both situations should not exist.
The last draft was 50 years ago. I know of multiple women who died last year due to the ban on maternal care. How is that comparable?
Ok. So not killing applies to both sexes. Good point. Please list one regulation on men’s bodies that only applies to men, since we can list multiple regulations on women’s bodies.
As for parental alimony/ child support, that is based at least in CA on the earnings of both parties. I think personally it should be 50/50 custody. Kids need access to both parents. As to circumcision, I believe that is still a parental decision and not a legal requirement. I would take that up with your parents. I definitely met American men in my life who were not circumcised.
1. Please mention one rule that apply to women body (abortion is not).
2. Agreed with your view. But thats not the reality nowadays. Why havent the law changed? Because there is only political track to change laws in favour of women, never men. Thanks for agreeing, but society (women included) is not taking mens view into consideration. Thats exactly what we complaying about.
3. Do parent have to have the right to cut a part of their boys pennis? Really? Thats the argument? What Im saying is that this should be ilegal! But again, men view is never taken into account. Im in Europe, where we do not practice such attrocity, so no need to speak with my parents. Thanks.
"Maybe it’s because so many young men feel bullied, belittled, or disregarded in their own lives. And they see Trump as someone they know will never make them feel this way."
Respectfully, Donald J Trump IS the perennial bully, dressed up in a business suit, that all little boys have ever had to stand down.
Any young man who feels that Trump understands him, empathizes with him, or will stand up for him is regrettably disillusioned, possibly misinformed, and hopelessly misdirected.
Bullies who get elected or appointed to the highest offices across the nations often leave legacies of harm, disrespect, inhumane behavior; and mostly they produce deeply embedded distrust into the systems they are employed to protect and steward.
Four years is a short season in light of eternity. Here on earth, four years can feel like an eternity.
But, as America has proven time and again, we The People will learn once again, we will vote locally, regionally, and nationally, and we WILL ultimately change our world for the better.
Despite the bullies and tyrants, and insecure little boys and girls who in fact -- really just need a hug.
God help America. We promise to Be better and Do better.
Trump is a bully, I agree. But there's a real sense in which these young men aren't served by the Democratic Party either, and are voting for demagogues who at least make them feel good.
It is ironic how they "feel" attacked while women and lgbt people are literally attacked by the government. It's propaganda.
Women are out here being arrested for having a miscarriage and doctors watch them die if they're pregnant and can't carry a baby because they are legally barred from providing care to the mother if it will harm the fetus. A teacher near me was fired for having 2 books in her library that had a lgbt character. For straight men to feel comfortable, we need to be erased or accept second class status?
It might surprise you to learn I'm actually prochoice and not a supporter of antiabortion laws. So yes, I would like to see a new law that would have the function of Roe (since the Supreme Court is unlikely to flip back anytime soon).
As for being fired for having books in your library...I don't support book banning either, though I've got my grudges with the general left-leaning nature of the publishing industry. If you're going to go by the workplace, men are regularly fired by HR for making the wrong comment, far short of actual sexual harassment, and women regularly use that to their advantage. It's entirely possible for 2 parts of society to have different problems in different ways. You have to pick a side if you're going to do activism and participate in our modern 2 party system, but you don't have to believe everything your side days.
Look back. I have my complaints about feminism, but I never actually admitted to voting for Trump...and I didn't. I swallowed my bile and voted for Kamala. Though that was mostly over Jan. 6. No wannabe dictators for me.
Maybe what they need is more adult males modeling healthy masculinity. I am sick and tired of women being blamed for men’s problems, or that women need to live in prescribed ways so that men can feel like men. Hogwash. Men need to fix themselves and define masculinity from inside to out, not outside to in. If men need women to be one down so that they can be one up, or if somehow women having equal opportunities means men are lesser beings, then men have a self-respect issue to deal with. What’s really going on is that the top 1% robbed 99% of men blind, but told them they were still better than women.
Lyndon Johnson: if you can convince the lowest man that he’s better than [a woman or a black person or an LGBTQ person], hell, he’ll empty his pockets for you.
Oldest game in the book and a generation of young men just fell for it.
We are also sick and tired of being blamed for women’s problems. Of course, your response like the standard feminist is that we’re own our own, yet you guys still expect men to help you with your issues. This lack of empathy is why we are leaving the party. Also, have you considered helping one group of people does detract from helping another or do you just hate men that much? Cause no one said anything about bringing women down.
I can understand that many men feel angry and unseen as well at this time in history, and that the built-up anger women feel & are directing outward is a significant part of that. But, just to be clear on one thing- I’ve supported myself for 17 years and my kid during most of that time & through college. No man helping me to survive. I don’t hate men. As an engineer, I’ve worked almost exclusively with men my whole career. But I am tired of hearing that if we all went back to the 1950s, everything would suddenly be hunky dorky. It was an economically great time and a culturally miserable time for many people. I appreciated being an adult in a time where I could have a family and a career. I would have been miserable otherwise. Right now, I’m concerned about fascism ending democracy in this country. If events of the last few days are any indication, unless you’re an oligarch, life might be horrific. We need a healthy middle class in this country. Instead of being divided and conquered, it seems the only path forward is to come together as the other 99% and work our butts off to try to turn the Titanic around. $50T has been moved from the bottom 99% to the top 1% since 1981. That’s the real reason life has gotten so tough for almost all Americans. Women still on average make 60% of what men make. Some of that is they don’t choose professions that pay well, although that is starting to change. But even with DEI, it’s still 60%. So that’s not the real reason for many men feeling disadvantaged. It’s neoliberalism and the slow drip of trickle up supply side economics. It’s really about class warfare, but the top 1% has framed it as cultural war. Unfortunately, if this keeps up, we’re headed back to London in Charles Dickens times. Or violent revolution. The last guilded age ended in depression and then WW2. This time the ravages of unaddressed climate change will be added on top. But I get we’re all feeling pissed and unseen. We’re all going to feel a whole lot worse in the near future.
You know, I get that, and as I've said I don't think Trump is a healthy model at all. LBJ was specifically speaking in the context of the civil rights movement, and used a word that's now considered a slur. I agree in large extent with his analysis, and get that you're extending that to women.
However, if masculinity is going to be redefined 'inside to out', there's a very good chance it's going to be in a way women don't like. Feminists seem to define 'toxic masculinity' as forms of male behavior that hurt women. But if men are going to redefine masculinity for our own good, there's no reason it would benefit women at all. For example, moving away from traditional stoicism might involve being open about our feelings, but those might include feelings of being hurt by women or feminists in particular, and we might organize against them--to take one high-profile example, #MeToo has a pretty clear zero-sum tradeoff between the sexes. If you look at men's groups online, they frequently share information about protecting against false accusations of 'gendered offenses' such as rape, harassment, or domestic violence, paternity fraud, divorce settlements, or other ways women attack men. That would not be to the benefit of women, for obvious reasons.
I'm saying, be careful what you wish for. If you chase out John Wayne, you get Jordan Peterson. If you chase out Jordan Peterson, you get Andrew Tate.
I would reference this past week of President Jimmy Carter's memorials and tributes. If young men in 2025 cannot, or will not, find some sense of significance and purpose from a small town peanut farmer making it to the White House, fumbling as a president, and then leaving a multigenerational global legacy by simply putting his actual hands to the hammer and nail to help people -- I'm not sure what other message they're looking for. Unless, of course, it's to 'rule the world' as an authoritarian reality TV star; and that bottle rocket show is fizzling out fast.
The side of the political spectrum he's from keeps telling them what a piece of crap they are in TV shows, movies, and books. They both became president, no, and Trump more recently; Carter left office way before they were born. Trump, on the other hand, is in living memory, and with his treading over social normas, a lot more fun from a young guy's point of view.
Yes, Bush was there at the funeral; he is from an earlier era of more comity.
So, I think I get that perspective. And yet, I would suggest that there are plentiful other voices across multiple spectrums telling young men that they are in fact more important, more significant, more valued than they have believed. Trump simply plays the "rage" card. There are better voices. We the People must point young men towards those voices. Rage and violence never result in happy endings, nor in successful civilizations. This is my belief, anyway.
Trump is not an ally of men. He got his tax cuts through the reconciliation process at least in part by moving alimony from pretax to posttax, meaning you now have to pay for it from whatever's left over after taxes.
Still, I think there's a sense in that while *Trump* is obviously punching down (he's president-elect), these young guys may not be. While there are definitely things like abortion that disfavor women, a lot of young men have an uphill battle to be promoted in our modern corporate system (especially as the guys at the top are male and are trying to protect their positions by throwing their less-privileged brothers to the wolves), can't approach for relationships in public, forcing them to go to apps whose downsides are well-documented, and are constantly told that they're evil because of who they are, which is leading to what you're saying.
Trump and MAGA as a start was ended the DEI programmes that disfavour men. More and more companies are going away from that.
Having him elected has also ended programes like gender quotas that exist in more feminazi countries like Europe. You have brougth 15 to 20 years of not being discriminated against. Thats good.
We feel that even in Europe.
Also, Trump winning has sent a clear message that you cannot treat men as the left was doing. Men may not protest on Men's Day, but they vote. Trump winning has changed the narrative from "we need to take care only about women" to "be careful of men". That show that men, as a group, has also political leverage.
Also, Trump is a vinudcation of masculinity. A confrontation with beta Wolf. Why women can be girly bosse and men have to be kind and soft? This narrative has ended. Masculinity trails have prevailed over a feminized view of the politics.
Finally, Trump will cut public spending and taxes. That benefits men more, as they are less reliant on public budget.
Unless you are in the top 1%, you’re not going to benefit from any tax cuts and will instead be paying more to live. If the new masculine model is sociopathic narcissistic rapists who commit treason and theft, even more women will want nothing to do with you. As long as you’re defining your masculinity externally by requiring others to do certain things to in order for you to feel that you are man, you’re weak as hell because you need others to prop you up. If you have balls between your legs, by definition you are a biological male. The bar is actually pretty low. Being a mature adult human being is actually much harder and people of both sexes fail at that in significant numbers.
The “average annual Social Security benefit received by women aged 65 or older was $13,505 in 2019, compared with $17,374 for men.” So tell us about men needing social benefits less than women. That difference is purely based on salaries, where on average women get paid 60% of what men make. That is starting to change as more women attend college. I can attest as I am almost maxed out on SS due to hard core engineering as a career. Don’t see men refusing to take that money, however. So, it seems they need it or feel entitled to the money they paid into the program. BTW, that is money we paid in. It is our money, not a social living grant.
All I can hope for is that as they age wisdom and a deeper understanding of governance comes to pass.
My daughter faced many instances of crappy behavior of some boys during K-12. Second guessing her abilities, treating her as a baby, acting like she wasn’t even present in the room, speaking over her (and others). She was in both the AP/IB and Tech program — it occurred in both programs.
The boys will be boy’s attitude is still strong—people laugh it off. That attitude, really is letting boys be jerks with no consequences for their actions. Only men and boys can stop bad behavior by calling it out—it seems if a woman or girl calls put bad behavior it is some kind of awful experience.
And yes there are equally toxic behaviors by girls : we call them mean girls.
It’s the behavior that is bad, not the people. Assuming they are willing to listen, understand and change.
Two local examples the clearly show how certain young men and boys have no respect for women.
1. College man installs secret cameras in women’s showers in dorm. Records hours of footage.
2. Two young teen boys use public photos of female friends and classmates to but their faces on pornography. Over 50+ girls—they knew. They went to class with everyday. And some of them were their “friends”.
As a men's rights activist, you would feel this way. I'd encourage you to stop blaming things on a nebulous "left" - whatever that is. Destructive behaviors by some men have been around forever, and "traditional masculinity" (I'll assume you mean Leave it To Beaver-world of the 1950s) didn't stop some men from beating their wives, raping women, or treating women poorly. My mother went to law school in the '70s when she was in her early 30s a young man in is 20s told her she didn't deserve to be there and was taking the seat from a man. That is not positive masculinity - I prefer that term to "traditional" masculinity because traditional sex-based roles haven't provided women with a lot of autonomy.
I'm all for positive masculinity (kind, humble, protective, supportive, and encouraging) - I'd describe the men in my life with this term. Some of my daughter's experiences with her male classmates show that their parents do not promote positive masculinity, and their sons have learned destructive behaviors that many call "toxic."
I can lead you to toxic feminity as well. 100s of examples like "the kids are mine because I give birth to them" sentence that my brother's ex wife said before making a false allegation in court. Fortunally, my brother was found not guilty of the 5 years prision false allegation, after 2 years of a nigthmare. Or women killing babies at a higer rate than males, not to mention abortion.
The curios things is that when you point to males doing wrong, its because of toxic masculinity. But when females are doing wrong is a rare aisolated case and not toxic feminity...
Of course there were bad men. Exactly because of that there was masculinity as a limitation of their power. The Gentlemen against the barbarian. Was 100% effective? Certaintly not: as effective as It is now. There are more rapes now than there were 50 years ago.
Curiosly, females are trying to define males. But the reality is that bad behaviour is not being reduced. This proves that It is not linked with cultural traits but with the simple fact that men are stronger than women, and hence, more capable to do grong things.
Meanwile, in the non masculine world male suicide has peaked. If that was liked to toxic masculinity, why suicides are not lower now? Why persist the suicide gender gap? Why Turkey has less suicide gender gap than Sweden?
The theroy of toxic masculinity has proven wrong. And the current world IS not safer for women nor for men.
In fact, by destroying masculinity values you have created significant problems. 1. Lack of kids and a demogrfic catstrophy 2. Lack of male receuiters at the army. 3. A rampamt pandemic of isolation and solitude (more in women than in men).
You mention bullying to your dugther. Sorry about that. But evidence shows that Girls bully Girls too. In a more psicological and subte way, but bullying at the end.
Why when women do wrong things is not toxic feminity? Curios about that...
I’m a man and a staunch Democrat, and I’m looking forward to the day when those of us who support men AND women can reclaim the image of the party in the minds of the general public. It didn’t have to be like this.
There is a long way in the US to go. More discrimination was on the way: comoulsory gender quotas for women, maternity leave, special taxes for women...
You are not Democrat. You support the lower class. And rigth now, this is supporting the Republicans.
Males are in the top and bottom possitions. They have the best and the worst. That IS what Democrats fails to see. This is not a Patriarchy. Its a GYNOCENTRIC Patriarchy, which is different.
On the first point: of course. Thats why is say there is more room in the US for the discrimination against men.
On the second point: women do have autonomy. They just need to avoid getting pregnant (I take out of the discussion rape, where I belive abortion should be permítete).
Right. And I was born in 2026. Checked out your Substack. You sure hate women. It’s amazing with all your money you can’t find someone like Melania more than happy to call you Sir and take a good chunk of it from you. Or maybe you already did and this is the result. If you operate like life is transactional- this role for that role- that is what you are going to manifest, a frigging RPG. If that is what makes you happy, so be it. My opinion of MAGATs is rock bottom. So we’re done talking because I’m done talking and it takes two to have a conversation. Happy Trails.
A young man proclaiming “we are so back” is a sad reminder that many men believe that their natural place is the dominant one, one in which men can be “men” and not put up with all the girlie stuff. Just as no one is born a racist, no one is born a misogynist. Places like Texas remain fully dominated by conservative white Christian men, who continue to teach their boys the same traditional masculinity doctrine that has prevailed for a very long time, only with the addition of a deep sense of victimization by feminists and their liberal male “cucks”.
The male backlash against feminism is as old as feminism itself. Indeed, it has only grown sharper, amplified within the social media bubble that encourages and reinforces a sense of resentment among young men. Just as white men complained bitterly about affirmative action, today’s young men feel victimized by efforts to encourage girls and young women to push past traditional barriers and attitudes — a sense that social media influencers are quick to exploit. There’s good money to be made preying on the insecurities of young guys.
Young men are told by older men and social media that they are being torn by conflicting messages about the expectations of both society and women — and they believe these messages because that assuages their egos and explains (they think) why they are not getting the sex and girl of their dreams. They believe the men who tell them that women talk a good game about wanting to be respected while going home with the bad boys who exhibit misogynistic behaviors. Women, they are told, want it both ways. Believing these messages, why wouldn’t they be happy about a president who is an unapologetic old school misogynist who still scored a supermodel wife, who is free to grab women by the pussy and bang a porn star while his wife is pregnant —and still get re-elected?
It’s hard to see how this will change any time soon; the reactionary pullback from Roe may merely be the beginning.
Well. It is easy. Stop discriminating men. Stop putting millions my dollars in women agenda. Stop victimizing women. We are all free and equal before the law. If there is a gender gap? Not my problem.
The government is NOT authorised to push a social group. Thats NOT democracy, by opression. Mainly when the gruoup the government is supporting IS the majority (as women are).
This argument is interesting. So, lets say. I have my 2 kids with me. They are still small (1 y.o. and 2 y.o.). I want my autonomy, of course. I want to go alone and travelling with kids is expensive and anoying. So I abndon them at home and go on a trip.
Of course, you need to respect my autonomy. And kinds cannot be above me.
Do u see the problem of your argument?
Wanna autonomy? Dont have kids. Dont get pregnant. Its easy not to!
Just continue this way please. Continue invalidating the feelings of young men with statements like "the Girls point to specific problems, the men to generic".
Just continue to validate the nonesense of micro discrinations like the situation in the line (as men cannot point out 100s of similar examples).
The extreme left. You have learnt nothing from this elections.
Just continue this way please. Continue invalidating the feelings of young men with statements like "the Girls point to specific problems, the men to generic".
Just continue to validate the nonesense of micro discrinations like the situation in the line (as men cannot point out 100s of similar examples).
The extreme left. You have learnt nothing from this elections.
I think I'm done here, but I'll say one last thing in case you're somehow on the level. I think what you're seeing is the problem of a disjuncture between ideological control of different spheres.
Basically, the left won the culture war, and the right won the economic war.
Media, academia, journalism, and literature are all heavily left-leaning. The last conservative novelist I can think of is Tom Wolfe, and he died a while ago. New TV shows and movies are done according to inclusion rules where the villains have to be white men and white men have to be the villains, so every time these guys go to see a movie or play a video game they're the bad guys, unless it's Japanese. That has an effect over time. You also have new cultural norms that basically mean any girl a guy asks out can put him on blast on TikTok with her phone and any ex can ruin your life with an accusation that must be believed. So they sit in their rooms and play video games and watch porn. Why not? Safer than dating.
There's also the effect of what I'm going to call 'imbalanced intersectionality', for lack of a better term. You have all these DEI efforts to uplift women, POC, etc...but because our society is so class-stratified, you have a lot of men in particular (who after all are still half the population) at the bottom who get knocked even further down, leading to things like the opioid crisis and incels. Sure, you can get the white guys at the very top to give up a little privilege in the executive suite, but if they have to give half the positions to their daughters instead of their sons it doesn't bother them that much.
Meanwhile, the Republicans have had the Supreme Court for a while, and used it to do things like repeal Roe v. Wade. The Democrats have had a neoliberal, donor-controlled business-oriented leadership for the last 30 years ago that doubles down on the cultural aspects of their program that are the least popular. We all remember how Bernie Sanders got cheers talking about Medicare for All on Fox. You've seen all those graphs of soaring inequality and so on.
So the Gen Z guys go 'well, I can't move up in my job because of DEI so no women want me, f*** the Democrats'. The Gen Z gals so "I can't get an abortion and the guys are gross, f*** the Republicans." But both can be right. We have a world where a guy can't ask a girl out, but if he takes and the risk and knocks her up she can't get an abortion.
It's entirely possible to have the worst of both worlds.
Just continue this way please. Continue invalidating the feelings of young men with statements like "the Girls point to specific problems, the men to generic".
Just continue to validate the nonesense of micro discriminations like the situation in the line (as men cannot point out 100s of similar examples).
The extreme left. You have learnt nothing from this elections.
Good. We have Trump for a long time.
Women literally have less rights in our laws. It's in the law, not in your feelings. But go ahead and "get back" at women by supporting a billionaire con artist who gave trillions of tax dollars to his wealthy friends last time he was in office. You really showed us lol
Please, illustrate me. Im a lawyer, so Im eager to know what rigths a man have in the US a woman dont have??
You have full body autonomy. Women are considered secondary to a potential fetus. Women in states with abortion bans die because the fetus is legally required to be above the woman carrying it.
American men are subject to the draft.
And they have no reproductive rights to speak of. There are young boys who have been raped who had to pay child support to their rapists - the pedophile's stipend.
That's horrible. Girls who are raped and give birth are often sued for parental rights by their rapist as well. It's sick and both situations should not exist.
The last draft was 50 years ago. I know of multiple women who died last year due to the ban on maternal care. How is that comparable?
Sorry, I missed this comment. I thought one of the feminists claims was they has no Bank accounts in the 70...
Perhaps that women have Bank accounts now. The men who died in draft no.
Sure name one law regulating a man’s body.
Uff...
Men cannot kill. Thats exactly the same we are asking from women. IS that body regulation, or just respecting other life? 🤔
In addition: parental alimony for kids Thats are not yours. Thats mens works, which is equal. Not to mention circumscicion, which is a mutilation.
Wanna me to follow?
Ok. So not killing applies to both sexes. Good point. Please list one regulation on men’s bodies that only applies to men, since we can list multiple regulations on women’s bodies.
As for parental alimony/ child support, that is based at least in CA on the earnings of both parties. I think personally it should be 50/50 custody. Kids need access to both parents. As to circumcision, I believe that is still a parental decision and not a legal requirement. I would take that up with your parents. I definitely met American men in my life who were not circumcised.
1. Please mention one rule that apply to women body (abortion is not).
2. Agreed with your view. But thats not the reality nowadays. Why havent the law changed? Because there is only political track to change laws in favour of women, never men. Thanks for agreeing, but society (women included) is not taking mens view into consideration. Thats exactly what we complaying about.
3. Do parent have to have the right to cut a part of their boys pennis? Really? Thats the argument? What Im saying is that this should be ilegal! But again, men view is never taken into account. Im in Europe, where we do not practice such attrocity, so no need to speak with my parents. Thanks.
If Trump does do the revenge list
The midterms will be a bloodbath for Republicans
Don’t take the bait
The far left are COUNTING on it.
If Trump takes Greendland, the bloodbath will be for the Democrats
Winning was the only point in the revenge list. Changing the values is enougth... For the time being.
You have him for 4 years, at least 2 of which are likely to be after a midterm election, which often swing to the other party.
And God only knows what the Democrats are going to do when they retake power in 2028...they understand the system a lot better.
So you are happy! Thats IS called "democracia". As a started, they will need to treat men better. Surprise!
I have a problem with neither democracy nor treating men better.
"Maybe it’s because so many young men feel bullied, belittled, or disregarded in their own lives. And they see Trump as someone they know will never make them feel this way."
Respectfully, Donald J Trump IS the perennial bully, dressed up in a business suit, that all little boys have ever had to stand down.
Any young man who feels that Trump understands him, empathizes with him, or will stand up for him is regrettably disillusioned, possibly misinformed, and hopelessly misdirected.
Bullies who get elected or appointed to the highest offices across the nations often leave legacies of harm, disrespect, inhumane behavior; and mostly they produce deeply embedded distrust into the systems they are employed to protect and steward.
Four years is a short season in light of eternity. Here on earth, four years can feel like an eternity.
But, as America has proven time and again, we The People will learn once again, we will vote locally, regionally, and nationally, and we WILL ultimately change our world for the better.
Despite the bullies and tyrants, and insecure little boys and girls who in fact -- really just need a hug.
God help America. We promise to Be better and Do better.
Trump is a bully, I agree. But there's a real sense in which these young men aren't served by the Democratic Party either, and are voting for demagogues who at least make them feel good.
It is ironic how they "feel" attacked while women and lgbt people are literally attacked by the government. It's propaganda.
Women are out here being arrested for having a miscarriage and doctors watch them die if they're pregnant and can't carry a baby because they are legally barred from providing care to the mother if it will harm the fetus. A teacher near me was fired for having 2 books in her library that had a lgbt character. For straight men to feel comfortable, we need to be erased or accept second class status?
It might surprise you to learn I'm actually prochoice and not a supporter of antiabortion laws. So yes, I would like to see a new law that would have the function of Roe (since the Supreme Court is unlikely to flip back anytime soon).
As for being fired for having books in your library...I don't support book banning either, though I've got my grudges with the general left-leaning nature of the publishing industry. If you're going to go by the workplace, men are regularly fired by HR for making the wrong comment, far short of actual sexual harassment, and women regularly use that to their advantage. It's entirely possible for 2 parts of society to have different problems in different ways. You have to pick a side if you're going to do activism and participate in our modern 2 party system, but you don't have to believe everything your side days.
Look up project 2025. Birth control is on the axe list, so is paid overtime and that affects all genders.
Then why do you support politicians that push this? A big component is putting bibles in school and pushing for Christian religious instructions.
Look back. I have my complaints about feminism, but I never actually admitted to voting for Trump...and I didn't. I swallowed my bile and voted for Kamala. Though that was mostly over Jan. 6. No wannabe dictators for me.
Maybe what they need is more adult males modeling healthy masculinity. I am sick and tired of women being blamed for men’s problems, or that women need to live in prescribed ways so that men can feel like men. Hogwash. Men need to fix themselves and define masculinity from inside to out, not outside to in. If men need women to be one down so that they can be one up, or if somehow women having equal opportunities means men are lesser beings, then men have a self-respect issue to deal with. What’s really going on is that the top 1% robbed 99% of men blind, but told them they were still better than women.
Lyndon Johnson: if you can convince the lowest man that he’s better than [a woman or a black person or an LGBTQ person], hell, he’ll empty his pockets for you.
Oldest game in the book and a generation of young men just fell for it.
We are also sick and tired of being blamed for women’s problems. Of course, your response like the standard feminist is that we’re own our own, yet you guys still expect men to help you with your issues. This lack of empathy is why we are leaving the party. Also, have you considered helping one group of people does detract from helping another or do you just hate men that much? Cause no one said anything about bringing women down.
I can understand that many men feel angry and unseen as well at this time in history, and that the built-up anger women feel & are directing outward is a significant part of that. But, just to be clear on one thing- I’ve supported myself for 17 years and my kid during most of that time & through college. No man helping me to survive. I don’t hate men. As an engineer, I’ve worked almost exclusively with men my whole career. But I am tired of hearing that if we all went back to the 1950s, everything would suddenly be hunky dorky. It was an economically great time and a culturally miserable time for many people. I appreciated being an adult in a time where I could have a family and a career. I would have been miserable otherwise. Right now, I’m concerned about fascism ending democracy in this country. If events of the last few days are any indication, unless you’re an oligarch, life might be horrific. We need a healthy middle class in this country. Instead of being divided and conquered, it seems the only path forward is to come together as the other 99% and work our butts off to try to turn the Titanic around. $50T has been moved from the bottom 99% to the top 1% since 1981. That’s the real reason life has gotten so tough for almost all Americans. Women still on average make 60% of what men make. Some of that is they don’t choose professions that pay well, although that is starting to change. But even with DEI, it’s still 60%. So that’s not the real reason for many men feeling disadvantaged. It’s neoliberalism and the slow drip of trickle up supply side economics. It’s really about class warfare, but the top 1% has framed it as cultural war. Unfortunately, if this keeps up, we’re headed back to London in Charles Dickens times. Or violent revolution. The last guilded age ended in depression and then WW2. This time the ravages of unaddressed climate change will be added on top. But I get we’re all feeling pissed and unseen. We’re all going to feel a whole lot worse in the near future.
You know, I get that, and as I've said I don't think Trump is a healthy model at all. LBJ was specifically speaking in the context of the civil rights movement, and used a word that's now considered a slur. I agree in large extent with his analysis, and get that you're extending that to women.
However, if masculinity is going to be redefined 'inside to out', there's a very good chance it's going to be in a way women don't like. Feminists seem to define 'toxic masculinity' as forms of male behavior that hurt women. But if men are going to redefine masculinity for our own good, there's no reason it would benefit women at all. For example, moving away from traditional stoicism might involve being open about our feelings, but those might include feelings of being hurt by women or feminists in particular, and we might organize against them--to take one high-profile example, #MeToo has a pretty clear zero-sum tradeoff between the sexes. If you look at men's groups online, they frequently share information about protecting against false accusations of 'gendered offenses' such as rape, harassment, or domestic violence, paternity fraud, divorce settlements, or other ways women attack men. That would not be to the benefit of women, for obvious reasons.
I'm saying, be careful what you wish for. If you chase out John Wayne, you get Jordan Peterson. If you chase out Jordan Peterson, you get Andrew Tate.
I would reference this past week of President Jimmy Carter's memorials and tributes. If young men in 2025 cannot, or will not, find some sense of significance and purpose from a small town peanut farmer making it to the White House, fumbling as a president, and then leaving a multigenerational global legacy by simply putting his actual hands to the hammer and nail to help people -- I'm not sure what other message they're looking for. Unless, of course, it's to 'rule the world' as an authoritarian reality TV star; and that bottle rocket show is fizzling out fast.
The side of the political spectrum he's from keeps telling them what a piece of crap they are in TV shows, movies, and books. They both became president, no, and Trump more recently; Carter left office way before they were born. Trump, on the other hand, is in living memory, and with his treading over social normas, a lot more fun from a young guy's point of view.
Yes, Bush was there at the funeral; he is from an earlier era of more comity.
So, I think I get that perspective. And yet, I would suggest that there are plentiful other voices across multiple spectrums telling young men that they are in fact more important, more significant, more valued than they have believed. Trump simply plays the "rage" card. There are better voices. We the People must point young men towards those voices. Rage and violence never result in happy endings, nor in successful civilizations. This is my belief, anyway.
Trump is not an ally of men. He got his tax cuts through the reconciliation process at least in part by moving alimony from pretax to posttax, meaning you now have to pay for it from whatever's left over after taxes.
Still, I think there's a sense in that while *Trump* is obviously punching down (he's president-elect), these young guys may not be. While there are definitely things like abortion that disfavor women, a lot of young men have an uphill battle to be promoted in our modern corporate system (especially as the guys at the top are male and are trying to protect their positions by throwing their less-privileged brothers to the wolves), can't approach for relationships in public, forcing them to go to apps whose downsides are well-documented, and are constantly told that they're evil because of who they are, which is leading to what you're saying.
Trump and MAGA as a start was ended the DEI programmes that disfavour men. More and more companies are going away from that.
Having him elected has also ended programes like gender quotas that exist in more feminazi countries like Europe. You have brougth 15 to 20 years of not being discriminated against. Thats good.
We feel that even in Europe.
Also, Trump winning has sent a clear message that you cannot treat men as the left was doing. Men may not protest on Men's Day, but they vote. Trump winning has changed the narrative from "we need to take care only about women" to "be careful of men". That show that men, as a group, has also political leverage.
Also, Trump is a vinudcation of masculinity. A confrontation with beta Wolf. Why women can be girly bosse and men have to be kind and soft? This narrative has ended. Masculinity trails have prevailed over a feminized view of the politics.
Finally, Trump will cut public spending and taxes. That benefits men more, as they are less reliant on public budget.
More?
It's hilarious to me young men think a dirty old man who wears makeup and shits his pants is the pinnacle of masculinity.
Thats female gaze and womensplaining...
Would you mind allowing men to define what men think masculinity should be?
Thanks you 😊
It never stops men from telling me what to do so no :)
If you see my post, I was asking for permission, not giving instructions. But now you ask, yes shut up. Thanks ;)
Oh look. Another man who thinks he can tell me what to do. 😂 II'll never shut up, douchecanoe.
He has wealth, fame, and power.
You have excellent points. I still don't like Trump, but this is an aspect of him I hadn't thought of before. Thank you!
Unless you are in the top 1%, you’re not going to benefit from any tax cuts and will instead be paying more to live. If the new masculine model is sociopathic narcissistic rapists who commit treason and theft, even more women will want nothing to do with you. As long as you’re defining your masculinity externally by requiring others to do certain things to in order for you to feel that you are man, you’re weak as hell because you need others to prop you up. If you have balls between your legs, by definition you are a biological male. The bar is actually pretty low. Being a mature adult human being is actually much harder and people of both sexes fail at that in significant numbers.
The “average annual Social Security benefit received by women aged 65 or older was $13,505 in 2019, compared with $17,374 for men.” So tell us about men needing social benefits less than women. That difference is purely based on salaries, where on average women get paid 60% of what men make. That is starting to change as more women attend college. I can attest as I am almost maxed out on SS due to hard core engineering as a career. Don’t see men refusing to take that money, however. So, it seems they need it or feel entitled to the money they paid into the program. BTW, that is money we paid in. It is our money, not a social living grant.
All I can hope for is that as they age wisdom and a deeper understanding of governance comes to pass.
My daughter faced many instances of crappy behavior of some boys during K-12. Second guessing her abilities, treating her as a baby, acting like she wasn’t even present in the room, speaking over her (and others). She was in both the AP/IB and Tech program — it occurred in both programs.
The boys will be boy’s attitude is still strong—people laugh it off. That attitude, really is letting boys be jerks with no consequences for their actions. Only men and boys can stop bad behavior by calling it out—it seems if a woman or girl calls put bad behavior it is some kind of awful experience.
And yes there are equally toxic behaviors by girls : we call them mean girls.
It’s the behavior that is bad, not the people. Assuming they are willing to listen, understand and change.
Two local examples the clearly show how certain young men and boys have no respect for women.
1. College man installs secret cameras in women’s showers in dorm. Records hours of footage.
2. Two young teen boys use public photos of female friends and classmates to but their faces on pornography. Over 50+ girls—they knew. They went to class with everyday. And some of them were their “friends”.
This is the result of feminizi policies. Boys are now more aware of their power and has little limits.
Thats why tradicional masculinity (the concept the left killed) was better.
Masculinity IS not you are stronger than women: yes, we are. Thats biology.
Masculinity was about using that superior capabilities for the good: dont kick women, protect women. Work hard to become a good provided.
The left has destroyed what made men good. Now, women are worst than eve. The left will have to live with the consequences.
As a men's rights activist, you would feel this way. I'd encourage you to stop blaming things on a nebulous "left" - whatever that is. Destructive behaviors by some men have been around forever, and "traditional masculinity" (I'll assume you mean Leave it To Beaver-world of the 1950s) didn't stop some men from beating their wives, raping women, or treating women poorly. My mother went to law school in the '70s when she was in her early 30s a young man in is 20s told her she didn't deserve to be there and was taking the seat from a man. That is not positive masculinity - I prefer that term to "traditional" masculinity because traditional sex-based roles haven't provided women with a lot of autonomy.
I'm all for positive masculinity (kind, humble, protective, supportive, and encouraging) - I'd describe the men in my life with this term. Some of my daughter's experiences with her male classmates show that their parents do not promote positive masculinity, and their sons have learned destructive behaviors that many call "toxic."
Thanks.
I can lead you to toxic feminity as well. 100s of examples like "the kids are mine because I give birth to them" sentence that my brother's ex wife said before making a false allegation in court. Fortunally, my brother was found not guilty of the 5 years prision false allegation, after 2 years of a nigthmare. Or women killing babies at a higer rate than males, not to mention abortion.
The curios things is that when you point to males doing wrong, its because of toxic masculinity. But when females are doing wrong is a rare aisolated case and not toxic feminity...
Of course there were bad men. Exactly because of that there was masculinity as a limitation of their power. The Gentlemen against the barbarian. Was 100% effective? Certaintly not: as effective as It is now. There are more rapes now than there were 50 years ago.
Curiosly, females are trying to define males. But the reality is that bad behaviour is not being reduced. This proves that It is not linked with cultural traits but with the simple fact that men are stronger than women, and hence, more capable to do grong things.
Meanwile, in the non masculine world male suicide has peaked. If that was liked to toxic masculinity, why suicides are not lower now? Why persist the suicide gender gap? Why Turkey has less suicide gender gap than Sweden?
The theroy of toxic masculinity has proven wrong. And the current world IS not safer for women nor for men.
In fact, by destroying masculinity values you have created significant problems. 1. Lack of kids and a demogrfic catstrophy 2. Lack of male receuiters at the army. 3. A rampamt pandemic of isolation and solitude (more in women than in men).
You mention bullying to your dugther. Sorry about that. But evidence shows that Girls bully Girls too. In a more psicological and subte way, but bullying at the end.
Why when women do wrong things is not toxic feminity? Curios about that...
Good read.
I’m a man and a staunch Democrat, and I’m looking forward to the day when those of us who support men AND women can reclaim the image of the party in the minds of the general public. It didn’t have to be like this.
There is a long way in the US to go. More discrimination was on the way: comoulsory gender quotas for women, maternity leave, special taxes for women...
You are not Democrat. You support the lower class. And rigth now, this is supporting the Republicans.
Males are in the top and bottom possitions. They have the best and the worst. That IS what Democrats fails to see. This is not a Patriarchy. Its a GYNOCENTRIC Patriarchy, which is different.
There is no legally mandated paid maternity leave in the U.S. What special taxes do women receive?
We lost our right to body autonomy the first time Donald Trump (the rapist and con artist) was in office. How is that benefiting women?
On the first point: of course. Thats why is say there is more room in the US for the discrimination against men.
On the second point: women do have autonomy. They just need to avoid getting pregnant (I take out of the discussion rape, where I belive abortion should be permítete).
LMAO. The GOP is supporting the top 1%. You got played.
Right. And I was born in 2026. Checked out your Substack. You sure hate women. It’s amazing with all your money you can’t find someone like Melania more than happy to call you Sir and take a good chunk of it from you. Or maybe you already did and this is the result. If you operate like life is transactional- this role for that role- that is what you are going to manifest, a frigging RPG. If that is what makes you happy, so be it. My opinion of MAGATs is rock bottom. So we’re done talking because I’m done talking and it takes two to have a conversation. Happy Trails.
I AM in the 1%!
You might do well to read this article - to better understand the young men.
https://open.substack.com/pub/dennisonwrites/p/why-people-like-trump?r=1i1dd0&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&showWelcomeOnShare=false
A young man proclaiming “we are so back” is a sad reminder that many men believe that their natural place is the dominant one, one in which men can be “men” and not put up with all the girlie stuff. Just as no one is born a racist, no one is born a misogynist. Places like Texas remain fully dominated by conservative white Christian men, who continue to teach their boys the same traditional masculinity doctrine that has prevailed for a very long time, only with the addition of a deep sense of victimization by feminists and their liberal male “cucks”.
The male backlash against feminism is as old as feminism itself. Indeed, it has only grown sharper, amplified within the social media bubble that encourages and reinforces a sense of resentment among young men. Just as white men complained bitterly about affirmative action, today’s young men feel victimized by efforts to encourage girls and young women to push past traditional barriers and attitudes — a sense that social media influencers are quick to exploit. There’s good money to be made preying on the insecurities of young guys.
Young men are told by older men and social media that they are being torn by conflicting messages about the expectations of both society and women — and they believe these messages because that assuages their egos and explains (they think) why they are not getting the sex and girl of their dreams. They believe the men who tell them that women talk a good game about wanting to be respected while going home with the bad boys who exhibit misogynistic behaviors. Women, they are told, want it both ways. Believing these messages, why wouldn’t they be happy about a president who is an unapologetic old school misogynist who still scored a supermodel wife, who is free to grab women by the pussy and bang a porn star while his wife is pregnant —and still get re-elected?
It’s hard to see how this will change any time soon; the reactionary pullback from Roe may merely be the beginning.
Well. It is easy. Stop discriminating men. Stop putting millions my dollars in women agenda. Stop victimizing women. We are all free and equal before the law. If there is a gender gap? Not my problem.
The government is NOT authorised to push a social group. Thats NOT democracy, by opression. Mainly when the gruoup the government is supporting IS the majority (as women are).
Good. You have validated mansplaining. Thats the reason why feminism is a double standard parody.
You tell me. Is you the one licking on her knees...
This argument is interesting. So, lets say. I have my 2 kids with me. They are still small (1 y.o. and 2 y.o.). I want my autonomy, of course. I want to go alone and travelling with kids is expensive and anoying. So I abndon them at home and go on a trip.
Of course, you need to respect my autonomy. And kinds cannot be above me.
Do u see the problem of your argument?
Wanna autonomy? Dont have kids. Dont get pregnant. Its easy not to!
give me a freakin' break.
The fuck is this shit? UNSUBSCRIBE.
Just continue this way please. Continue invalidating the feelings of young men with statements like "the Girls point to specific problems, the men to generic".
Just continue to validate the nonesense of micro discrinations like the situation in the line (as men cannot point out 100s of similar examples).
The extreme left. You have learnt nothing from this elections.
Good. We have MAGA for a long time.
Just continue this way please. Continue invalidating the feelings of young men with statements like "the Girls point to specific problems, the men to generic".
Just continue to validate the nonesense of micro discrinations like the situation in the line (as men cannot point out 100s of similar examples).
The extreme left. You have learnt nothing from this elections.
Good. We have MAGA for a long time.
Yes glad you voted for more tax dollars to funnel to the billionaires bribing trump. You got played.
It would be good supporting billionere Soros. No doubt... 🤦🏻
30%: Surveys have shown that 30% of university males have said they would rape a woman if they could get away with it. Not 100%.
So you support tech billionaires expanding the h1b visa program?
Better than supporting Billioneres expanding ilegal inmigration, yes.
Those boots taste good?
Better than those of a dominatix. XD
Yes. All are stupid other than Democrats... 🤦
I think I'm done here, but I'll say one last thing in case you're somehow on the level. I think what you're seeing is the problem of a disjuncture between ideological control of different spheres.
Basically, the left won the culture war, and the right won the economic war.
Media, academia, journalism, and literature are all heavily left-leaning. The last conservative novelist I can think of is Tom Wolfe, and he died a while ago. New TV shows and movies are done according to inclusion rules where the villains have to be white men and white men have to be the villains, so every time these guys go to see a movie or play a video game they're the bad guys, unless it's Japanese. That has an effect over time. You also have new cultural norms that basically mean any girl a guy asks out can put him on blast on TikTok with her phone and any ex can ruin your life with an accusation that must be believed. So they sit in their rooms and play video games and watch porn. Why not? Safer than dating.
There's also the effect of what I'm going to call 'imbalanced intersectionality', for lack of a better term. You have all these DEI efforts to uplift women, POC, etc...but because our society is so class-stratified, you have a lot of men in particular (who after all are still half the population) at the bottom who get knocked even further down, leading to things like the opioid crisis and incels. Sure, you can get the white guys at the very top to give up a little privilege in the executive suite, but if they have to give half the positions to their daughters instead of their sons it doesn't bother them that much.
Meanwhile, the Republicans have had the Supreme Court for a while, and used it to do things like repeal Roe v. Wade. The Democrats have had a neoliberal, donor-controlled business-oriented leadership for the last 30 years ago that doubles down on the cultural aspects of their program that are the least popular. We all remember how Bernie Sanders got cheers talking about Medicare for All on Fox. You've seen all those graphs of soaring inequality and so on.
So the Gen Z guys go 'well, I can't move up in my job because of DEI so no women want me, f*** the Democrats'. The Gen Z gals so "I can't get an abortion and the guys are gross, f*** the Republicans." But both can be right. We have a world where a guy can't ask a girl out, but if he takes and the risk and knocks her up she can't get an abortion.
It's entirely possible to have the worst of both worlds.